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Poster: Monte B Cowboy Date: Jul 24, 2013 7:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dephending Phish

> "defense of their music sounds familiar to any Deadhead" [when you listen to the band's "tapes"]

Phish tape collection on the LMA -

GD tape collection on the LMA -

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Poster: adks12020 Date: Jul 25, 2013 5:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dephending Phish

I don't know if you are trying to imply the "tapes" aren't out there so we can't listen but ... ..there are a ton there and a boatload on etree, youtube, etc. Every show is taped just like the Dead.

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Poster: Monte B Cowboy Date: Jul 25, 2013 6:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dephending Phish

The LMA provides no information for missing collections of bands like Phish, Hot Tuna, Asleep At The Wheel and other very popular bands that do not allow any of their tapes here - and / or - they do not allow taping at all.

The LMA could create a blank page, inserted as a placeholder, for each one of the above bands. Put the information you cited (for example) on these band's (non)collection pages. And state, "We don't allow any taping"; or, "Attention Tapers and Fans - the only live music taping we allow to be shared digitally are bit torrents of AUDs from eTree's web site." This suggestion would help everyone, but it might come across as the LMA making these bands "look bad" - just my two cents, so this will probably never happen. I don't stray too far from The Archive for my live music downloads.

All these other "tape-sharing" sites are out there... yes. Remember Napster, and when their patrons were getting sued for downloading mp3s, and then they got shut down? (It's true a lot of their stuff was copyrighted material that was being ripped from CDs.)

"When Napster told the district court that it had developed a technology to block the transfer of 99.4 percent of identified infringing material, the district court told council for Napster 99.4 percent was not good enough. Napster had to push the infringements 'down to zero.' If 99.4 percent is not good enough", Lessig concluded, "then this is a war on file-sharing technologies, not a war on copyright infringement."

The Archive and the LMA is probably the safest and most copyright-safe way to upload, download, and share music and multimedia files legitimately on the internet. Permitting AUDs for taping and sharing is a great way for bands to go. Fans get a sense of the band's music, how their PA system usually sounds, what they "do" when playing live at shows, how their setlists vary from show to show, and what the crowd reactions are by "putting you in there".

Perhaps my thinking is a bit old-school and old-fashioned - like an old Deadhead. YouTube is a good source for lots of Phish, as you mentioned. Lot's of GD is there also. Very often, however, the lossy Audio tracks in their clips leaves a lot to be desired. Mostly I use the LMA's lossless audio for listening to AUDs.

It's not a big deal to me. I'm just putting in my two cents.